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After being slaughtered by the millions, after having suffered for millennia at the hands of Romans, Arabs, Spaniards, French, English, Germans, Russians, etc., I don’t blame the Jews in the slightest for seizing and maintaining their ancestral or spiritual homeland by force-of-arms, just so they can have one tiny little sliver of land and an itty-bitty corner of the world that they can call their own. In their place I would probably have done much the same thing.
The (relative) handful of so-called indigenous people who were there already were largely the descendants of those who had seized the land by force-of-arms themselves. It’s been several centuries since that happened, so folks tend to conveniently forget that before it was Arab, Palestine was Byzantine-Christian for centuries, and Roman-Christian before that, and Roman-pagan before that, and, before that, Jewish, for a millennia or two. Before that it was Canaanite and Philistine and Lord-knows-what-else.
Palestine is like the busy intersection of several roads. It controls ancient trade routes and military pathways between Asia and Africa and Europe, and living there has, historically, always been like setting-up house in the middle of a very busy highway. Every so often, the occupants there get run-over by a very big truck (invading army A or B or C, seizing the land, or just passing through on the way to someplace more important than that sun-baked sliver of coastal land).
After a 2,000 year absence, the Jews are back - genetically, to some extent, quite possibly, and spiritually, to be certain - and they’re there to stay.
The so-called indigenous population, egged-on by their more fortunate Arab or Muslim brethren and neighbors, left their homes during the 1947-1950 time frame; on the promise of those brethren that the newly-re-established Jewish State would be destroyed, and its adherents driven into the Mediterranean Sea.
Those misguided Palestinians who left their homes, and their descendants, have, in some cases, been rotting in refugee camps and their successor settlements for 60 years; most of an entire lifetime; rather than finding the means and the motivation to let go of old grudges and old dreams, to face reality after four failed wars to reclaim Palestine, and to move to some other part of the region or to some other part of the world, and get on with life, rather than ancient blood feuds.
The Israelis aren’t going anywhere in our lifetimes, the lifetimes of our children, or the lifetimes of our grandchildren; to the devil with world opinion, in their eyes, if the world begrudges them a tiny sliver of land to call their own, after all that they and their ancestors have been through at the hands of many of our own ancestors and distant cousins.
Again, I can’t say that I blame them for holding to such a position.
And, they have my grudging respect and admiration, for finally - finally - standing up on their hind legs and saying “enough - never again”.
Bottom line, if anyone really wanted to be truthful, is there are very few who want Israel to exist.
Incognito, I just feel bad talking about Israel-Palestine. I just feel like being impotent when in front of your eyes thousands are butchered and that too in the name of those rights which never should have existed.
You are asking palestine peopel to move on. why don’t you think that they also wanted the same with Jews in 1945. MOVE ON! Whats has happened has happened in Germany. See I am not a Palestinian nor a Muslim and has lost nothing in this massacre, but shamefully I am a human.
I always prefer to avoid this subject as it really makes me realize how much weak a human being is in front of weapons and all the other things. Also feeling like this makes me sympathetic to ”terrorists” really putting my career in jeopardy.
I would like to apologize to everybody who had to take the pain of reading my comments about it, because while we will keep saying fancy things innocent will continue dying.
So losing my mental balance i would like to say that if possible kill all Palestinians once and for all. At least it won’t make us go through this trauma again and again. we will also condemn it like Hiroshima and Nagasaki and will MOVE ON.
A democratically elected government of Palestine is terrorist, but Israel is truly peace loving country.
Palestinians are trying to fight back, but will be called terrorist, but bombs dropped by Israel is done in peace.
Palestinians don’t want to exist peacefully? just let them have their country back. They are ready to put the present Israel to their present space.. and I promise you they too will love to be in peace in then , if Israel still wants too then ..
Palestinians teach their children to hate as it is in their religion? I really hope that your child is not reading this or you talk like this to him/her.
Man, I already said that the more I think about Israel the more I realize that one should have power. It justifies EVERYTHING.
thanks for being honest enough to put your opinions, and your cards, on the table.
”thousands are butchered and that too in the name of those rights (Israel’s) which never should have existed.”
You write.
And at the same time you tell us that;
”I always prefer to avoid this subject”
Arjun, either you stick to your guns and shoot, or you don’t start aiming your guns in the first place.
If not, you may just end up getting shot down by BOTH sides...
Yo!
Even in knowing (bits of the story) I am still left bewildered and saddened by such conflict and loss of innocent lives.
Is it possible to ever live binationally with two seperate soverign states?
I don’t believe that religion is associated with Palestine as a national independence movement. I have always been careful on separate the idea of an Arab state and an Islamic state. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Israelis are Jews. The conflict between both nations is socio-political reinforced by religious tendencies but not necessarily as primary instance.
Zionists may have religion as main claim for defending the rights for Israel existence on actual borders but again, I never had nothing against Zionism. Primitive cultures have always been attached to land as a signal of belonging. I see no harm to Zionism in pure form just for wanting to maintain the old temple in Israel’s hands. However, it should be open to all.
Let’s remember that Muhammad built an unsolicited Mosque there just to ”belong” among Christians and Jewish people. Maybe, just maybe... Muhammad role was more of an unifier of the Arab tribes than a prophet. Either way, he accomplished his job quite well and Islam has everything to be a beautiful religion just like any other. What’s Islam lacks of is transparency of dogma and this is something that the Jews have well written and established. The power of Israel lays on the strength of unity. This won’t be broken by disorganised enemies be it, Arab or not.
Muhammad has added to primitive Arabs a sense of reconciliation but forgot to leave instructions of how to behave after his departure. This place Muslims not along side Jews but Christians instead. Both ideals of heaven, Christian and Muslim alike have been modified from the original plan to accommodate the plan and intentions of men. This is the source of conflict that Muslims are presenting today, Christians experienced through Middle ages, Inquisition, etc. And the Hebrews four thousand years ago. Hopefully, maturity will come to Islam some day and the idea of Arab as nation become more important than the idea of Jihad. Until this happens, anyone with common sense will stand beside Israel.
The message of West is simple: Stop the fight, look your priorities and elect a leader. Someone who will speak for all truthful Muslims alike. Someone who means peace. Someone we can respect and negotiate with. Then, only them, all the three major religions on Earth can move together as Humans and not as Christians, Muslims and Jews.
If the is a God and this God is powerful and fair as our scriptures claim, so it see us all as equal. No favourites. No less fortunate. Meanwhile, I will believe in men. I will believe in Humanity. meanwhile...
THANK YOU. Seems many have forgotten about Humanity. When it comes down to it, at the end of the line, we are all the same. Human.
you can go through my blog at palestine-vs-israel.blogspot.com to read more about what I think of Hamas
Meanwhile I was reading your article here and was very astonished of your very little knowledge of ancient and modern history.
In 1947-1948 Palestinians were driven OUT their lands by the Massacres that the jews did ( mainly Deir Yassin ). The fact that Israel destroyed more than FOUR HUNDRED palestinian villages and killed many of its citizens also tell much that this was ethnic cleansing .
”And the fascist Zionists are continuing their murderous slaughter of innocents in order to cleanse the earth of Palestinians and their inhuman massacre shall continue until there is not a drop of Palestinian blood left”.
Is that it?
Can we all go to sleep now please?
Are you happy you’ve had your say and that someone agrees with you?
Ok, now go find another post.
Just cut and stick what I wrote for you.
Free of charge......
Wow!
What’s it going to be like when the machine REALLY gets rolling??!!!
Congratulations on an excellently written and very pertinent article.
More.
If you want to talk about expulsion and ethnic cleansing, you can’t ignlre the expulsion of 900,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands, who were divested of all assets, disenfranchised and expelled from Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain and Kuwait (Jordan and Saudi Arabia never had any Jewish populations), mostly with one suitcase per person and the equivalent of $50.
Osaid, there is a whole side of Israeli-Palestinian history that YOU have to learn about, too.
I will try to reach beirzeit study about deir yassin massacre.
getting away from political views and trying to persuade others that our story is the right one I want to remind you of one basic thing which I think is the main problem : it is OCCUPATION.
Ending the occupation will solve it all.
However, being old enough to have worked in companies that employed workers from ”the territories” before the first intifada, I do think there is enough talent and enough people willing to do that hard work... and there are people in Israel who are willing to help. If we all want it enough, it’s ”do-able”.
This is what’s written on your page profile.
”Clinical Nurse working in Palestine and living the way Palestinians are forced to live”
Bullshit.
Are you telling us that you are in a genocidal war zone, in a country that lacks everything, electricity, health care and all the rest of it, and in which the hospitals are overwhelmed and that there aren’t enough people to care for them??????????????????????????
AND THAT YOU CAN’T FIND ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THAN WRITE COMMENTS ON A NEWS SITE? AND THAT YOU SHOULDN’T BE HELPING TO SAVE PEOPLE’S LIVES, SEEING AS YOU ARE A NURSE, SOMETHING THAT IS IN SHORT SUPPLY THERE RIGHT NOW?
Bullshit. You are nothing but bullshit.
Understand?
Sickening.
The article is based on the acceptance of Israel as a state. On saying this, I am pro-Israeli rights to have their country and the right to defend themselves against any threat opposing their rights to existence. I am also pro-Palestine and it’s right of ’becoming’ a nation under a fair guidance...
There are no reason for Palestinians and Israelis be living in the same state and I say this with the naivety of an observer. Palestine cannot survive on it’s own and it worries me. If Palestine is not self-sufficient it has to rely on larger nations with ”not-so-clear” agendas such as Iran and Saudi Arabia (I will not include Syria and Jordan because overall, Syria’s history of diplomacy has been good comparing to other nations). It is not convenient for the West.
An alternative would be liking a new formed Palestinian state to be counselled and guided by Egyptian, Jordan and Syrian nations but again, The Egyptian middle classes and its students movements are financially linked to Saudi Arabia’s shari’as propaganda.
The creation of Palestine as a nation would create another conflict of interest among different Muslim factions. I already can see that happening: factions supported by Iran against factions supported by Egypt/Saudis which would keep foreign investments (essential for the development of any states within Palestine) away.
Israel is well established. Socially, economically and politically prepared while Palestine is not. The foreign policies of Palestine reflect that. The incapacity of the local population to deal with internal issues through democratic ways such as to protest against Militias launching rockets rockets against neighbour countries is clear indication of bullied citizens. The fact of electing terrorists to power also shows immaturity. ... If this is not democracy, Western nations are not prepared to invest or accept.
I will support a Palestine state when religion is not inserted into society and the free citizens have the right to accommodate any kind of beliefs they desire without prosecution of being themselves.
Your comment is for everyone?
Ok, I am polite. I answer when people say things to me.
_______________
So would you please indicate where I offered the opinion that only jews have the right live there?
And would you also be polite enough to bear in mind that the fact that no-one mentioned the forced kicking-out of Palestinians, which is a historical fact, and no-one would disagree with that, is because
IT IS NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT!!!
If you just want to read a ”pro”-Palestinian point of view and say ”I agree”, go to Marco Villa’s page.
You’d just love it.
you see,, Palestine will never be able to take care of itself as you say, that’s for sure, not when it’s under this kind of destruction, and I beg to disagree here, religion is supposed to regulate the lives of people if they understand it and use it correctly, and believe me you have a very not true idea about Islam in the Arab countries. I think you need to come visit Jordan and I’ll show you real Islam...
BUT again, that wasn’t my question... I can’t really just forget that I am not even allowed to visit my hometown,, and trust me, that doesn’t help me with the healing process at all...
What happened to SHARING?
As I always say: One hand cannot clap...
Peace!!!
Maybe others would like to take up your offer of ”real Islam”, but if I ever went to Jordan,I’d rather just see Jordan thanks.
Or maybe we could do an exchange visit here. Wanna see ”real Catholicism”?
Great. Come to France! I could take you round the churches and we could go hang out with priests......
Can’t wait.
Thx again...
2. I agree, ”religion is supposed to regulate the lives of people if they understand it and use it correctly”... But not the state. The state is religion free. The state is above people’s personal interests. it reflects the common good of all. My argument is not about if Palestinians should or not have a religion but about is if the Palestine state should be linked to a religion.
3. ”you have a very not true idea about Islam in the Arab countries.” probably correct about Islam... but again, Muslims themselves don’t have idea about Islam either, only their own interpretations that reflect their own needs. If Muslims knew about Islam and the intentions of Muhammad, we would be having this conversation right now and no conflict would ever take place... In Palestine, Pakistan, Georgia, Chechnya, Indonesia, Afghanistan... pick your spot... If all these people knew the correct message of their religion... life would be different to all of us...
As for the not knowing Arab countries, I have been to at least 6 of them (of which I enjoyed each). I guess, that’s give me a little credibility to comment about it. I been to Jordan and I would love to come back. I spent time in Amman and I went to Petra (the name of my wife by the way...), Al Zarqa (I think it’s the right spelling) and Al Karak. (:
4. you can clap with one hand if you use your legs...
I was ”pissed off” as you put it not because of your ”conversation” (which, moreover, may just clear up a few things here), but because of your previous comment, adressed to ”everyone who commented on this page”.
You know that very well.
That said, if no-one can comment on your ”conversation”, maybe you should move it to private email?
@Incognito: ”Tell me, who in theirďż˝RIGHT minds would want to go back?”.. I can’t even go back for a vacation... and I’m sorry for not enjoying your interference to plan my vacations... no offense here!!!
Robbie... I made ur same mistake by calling u a she... sorreeee :)
1) no worries about my name, ur not supposed to know that when ur not an Arab :) so it’s OK :)
2) Palestine’s religious system is not the same as that of other countries (i.e. those of the Arab Gulf)
3) one hand clapping thing: again I have to say: what happened to sharing,, is that too much of a complex term to be understood?!!!
But I guess that’s not ur fault...thx for ur kind answer anyways!!!
I just don’t believe that Palestinians are prepared to clap hands... the events show is that... so I decided to be ironic... ...on a good way...
take care...
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you can go through my blog at palestine-vs-israel.blogspot.com to read more about what I think of Hamas
Meanwhile I was reading your article here and was very astonished of your very little knowledge of ancient and modern history.
In 1947-1948 Palestinians were driven OUT their lands by the Massacres that the jews did ( mainly Deir Yassin ). The fact that Israel destroyed more than FOUR HUNDRED palestinian villages and killed many of its citizens also tell much that this was ethnic cleansing .
I will try to reach beirzeit study about deir yassin massacre.
getting away from political views and trying to persuade others that our story is the right one I want to remind you of one basic thing which I think is the main problem : it is OCCUPATION.
Ending the occupation will solve it all.
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But I want to ask you that the premise that ”after being slaughtered by the millions, after having suffered for millennia at the hands of Romans, Arabs, Spaniards, French, English, Germans, Russians, etc.,” Jews are entitled to have the Israel in the way they are having now.
Come on , it will more like having Mexico asking for most of the part of USA as it belonged to them before; or a monkey trainer coming and saying that the descendants of our ancestor wants the claim on it .
And Jews who were persecuted should be paid back by the world by persecuting some other community ? Is this the kind of justice we believe in ?
Just imagine that anybody coming, who was wrongfully put behind bars by government, taking over drawing room first, then your bedroom; and finally even the toilet you have been forced to cramp in... How will you feel? And yeah don’t forget that he was wrongfully put behind bars by government . He has suffered a lot for many years . You think that will justify doing all that ?
Bottom line, if anyone really wanted to be truthful, is there are very few who want Israel to exist.
Incognito, I just feel bad talking about Israel-Palestine. I just feel like being impotent when in front of your eyes thousands are butchered and that too in the name of those rights which never should have existed.
You are asking palestine peopel to move on. why don’t you think that they also wanted the same with Jews in 1945. MOVE ON! Whats has happened has happened in Germany. See I am not a Palestinian nor a Muslim and has lost nothing in this massacre, but shamefully I am a human.
I always prefer to avoid this subject as it really makes me realize how much weak a human being is in front of weapons and all the other things. Also feeling like this makes me sympathetic to ”terrorists” really putting my career in jeopardy.
I would like to apologize to everybody who had to take the pain of reading my comments about it, because while we will keep saying fancy things innocent will continue dying.
So losing my mental balance i would like to say that if possible kill all Palestinians once and for all. At least it won’t make us go through this trauma again and again. we will also condemn it like Hiroshima and Nagasaki and will MOVE ON.
A democratically elected government of Palestine is terrorist, but Israel is truly peace loving country.
Palestinians are trying to fight back, but will be called terrorist, but bombs dropped by Israel is done in peace.
Palestinians don’t want to exist peacefully? just let them have their country back. They are ready to put the present Israel to their present space.. and I promise you they too will love to be in peace in then , if Israel still wants too then ..
Palestinians teach their children to hate as it is in their religion? I really hope that your child is not reading this or you talk like this to him/her.
Man, I already said that the more I think about Israel the more I realize that one should have power. It justifies EVERYTHING.
Even in knowing (bits of the story) I am still left bewildered and saddened by such conflict and loss of innocent lives.
Is it possible to ever live binationally with two seperate soverign states?
I don’t believe that religion is associated with Palestine as a national independence movement. I have always been careful on separate the idea of an Arab state and an Islamic state. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Israelis are Jews. The conflict between both nations is socio-political reinforced by religious tendencies but not necessarily as primary instance.
Zionists may have religion as main claim for defending the rights for Israel existence on actual borders but again, I never had nothing against Zionism. Primitive cultures have always been attached to land as a signal of belonging. I see no harm to Zionism in pure form just for wanting to maintain the old temple in Israel’s hands. However, it should be open to all.
Let’s remember that Muhammad built an unsolicited Mosque there just to ”belong” among Christians and Jewish people. Maybe, just maybe... Muhammad role was more of an unifier of the Arab tribes than a prophet. Either way, he accomplished his job quite well and Islam has everything to be a beautiful religion just like any other. What’s Islam lacks of is transparency of dogma and this is something that the Jews have well written and established. The power of Israel lays on the strength of unity. This won’t be broken by disorganised enemies be it, Arab or not.
Muhammad has added to primitive Arabs a sense of reconciliation but forgot to leave instructions of how to behave after his departure. This place Muslims not along side Jews but Christians instead. Both ideals of heaven, Christian and Muslim alike have been modified from the original plan to accommodate the plan and intentions of men. This is the source of conflict that Muslims are presenting today, Christians experienced through Middle ages, Inquisition, etc. And the Hebrews four thousand years ago. Hopefully, maturity will come to Islam some day and the idea of Arab as nation become more important than the idea of Jihad. Until this happens, anyone with common sense will stand beside Israel.
The message of West is simple: Stop the fight, look your priorities and elect a leader. Someone who will speak for all truthful Muslims alike. Someone who means peace. Someone we can respect and negotiate with. Then, only them, all the three major religions on Earth can move together as Humans and not as Christians, Muslims and Jews.
If the is a God and this God is powerful and fair as our scriptures claim, so it see us all as equal. No favourites. No less fortunate. Meanwhile, I will believe in men. I will believe in Humanity. meanwhile...
THANK YOU. Seems many have forgotten about Humanity. When it comes down to it, at the end of the line, we are all the same. Human.
The state of Israel was created after world war two, and jews of today don’t give a damn where it came from. They did NOT decide how it was created. But they DO know that people want to take it away from them by force.
Where do they go?
Any ideas?
Your comparison between Mexico and the USA is unacceptable. Both in terms of geographical area and it’s blithely hypothetical nature.
We need ideas and results here, and not scapegoats and good/bad guys from another age.
thanks for being honest enough to put your opinions, and your cards, on the table.
”And the fascist Zionists are continuing their murderous slaughter of innocents in order to cleanse the earth of Palestinians and their inhuman massacre shall continue until there is not a drop of Palestinian blood left”.
Is that it?
Can we all go to sleep now please?
Are you happy you’ve had your say and that someone agrees with you?
Ok, now go find another post.
Just cut and stick what I wrote for you.
Free of charge......
Wow!
What’s it going to be like when the machine REALLY gets rolling??!!!
Congratulations on an excellently written and very pertinent article.
More.
While it is true the US. southwestern states were originally ours, part of them were ceded during the Mexican American war and part of them were PURCHASED...Either way, although they were part of Mexico, the comparing us to the Gaza conflict is highly unacceptable.
We are not in conflict trying to retake what was ours or vice versa.
There is no conflict, no killing, question over who that territory belongs to. This issue was settled in 1848..hardly comparable, amigo.
If you want to talk about expulsion and ethnic cleansing, you can’t ignlre the expulsion of 900,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands, who were divested of all assets, disenfranchised and expelled from Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain and Kuwait (Jordan and Saudi Arabia never had any Jewish populations), mostly with one suitcase per person and the equivalent of $50.
Osaid, there is a whole side of Israeli-Palestinian history that YOU have to learn about, too.
However, being old enough to have worked in companies that employed workers from ”the territories” before the first intifada, I do think there is enough talent and enough people willing to do that hard work... and there are people in Israel who are willing to help. If we all want it enough, it’s ”do-able”.
This is what’s written on your page profile.
”Clinical Nurse working in Palestine and living the way Palestinians are forced to live”
Bullshit.
Are you telling us that you are in a genocidal war zone, in a country that lacks everything, electricity, health care and all the rest of it, and in which the hospitals are overwhelmed and that there aren’t enough people to care for them??????????????????????????
AND THAT YOU CAN’T FIND ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THAN WRITE COMMENTS ON A NEWS SITE? AND THAT YOU SHOULDN’T BE HELPING TO SAVE PEOPLE’S LIVES, SEEING AS YOU ARE A NURSE, SOMETHING THAT IS IN SHORT SUPPLY THERE RIGHT NOW?
Bullshit. You are nothing but bullshit.
Understand?
Sickening.
”thousands are butchered and that too in the name of those rights (Israel’s) which never should have existed.”
You write.
And at the same time you tell us that;
”I always prefer to avoid this subject”
Arjun, either you stick to your guns and shoot, or you don’t start aiming your guns in the first place.
If not, you may just end up getting shot down by BOTH sides...
Yo!
The article is based on the acceptance of Israel as a state. On saying this, I am pro-Israeli rights to have their country and the right to defend themselves against any threat opposing their rights to existence. I am also pro-Palestine and it’s right of ’becoming’ a nation under a fair guidance...
There are no reason for Palestinians and Israelis be living in the same state and I say this with the naivety of an observer. Palestine cannot survive on it’s own and it worries me. If Palestine is not self-sufficient it has to rely on larger nations with ”not-so-clear” agendas such as Iran and Saudi Arabia (I will not include Syria and Jordan because overall, Syria’s history of diplomacy has been good comparing to other nations). It is not convenient for the West.
An alternative would be liking a new formed Palestinian state to be counselled and guided by Egyptian, Jordan and Syrian nations but again, The Egyptian middle classes and its students movements are financially linked to Saudi Arabia’s shari’as propaganda.
The creation of Palestine as a nation would create another conflict of interest among different Muslim factions. I already can see that happening: factions supported by Iran against factions supported by Egypt/Saudis which would keep foreign investments (essential for the development of any states within Palestine) away.
Israel is well established. Socially, economically and politically prepared while Palestine is not. The foreign policies of Palestine reflect that. The incapacity of the local population to deal with internal issues through democratic ways such as to protest against Militias launching rockets rockets against neighbour countries is clear indication of bullied citizens. The fact of electing terrorists to power also shows immaturity. ... If this is not democracy, Western nations are not prepared to invest or accept.
I will support a Palestine state when religion is not inserted into society and the free citizens have the right to accommodate any kind of beliefs they desire without prosecution of being themselves.
Your comment is for everyone?
Ok, I am polite. I answer when people say things to me.
_______________
So would you please indicate where I offered the opinion that only jews have the right live there?
And would you also be polite enough to bear in mind that the fact that no-one mentioned the forced kicking-out of Palestinians, which is a historical fact, and no-one would disagree with that, is because
IT IS NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT!!!
If you just want to read a ”pro”-Palestinian point of view and say ”I agree”, go to Marco Villa’s page.
You’d just love it.
you see,, Palestine will never be able to take care of itself as you say, that’s for sure, not when it’s under this kind of destruction, and I beg to disagree here, religion is supposed to regulate the lives of people if they understand it and use it correctly, and believe me you have a very not true idea about Islam in the Arab countries. I think you need to come visit Jordan and I’ll show you real Islam...
BUT again, that wasn’t my question... I can’t really just forget that I am not even allowed to visit my hometown,, and trust me, that doesn’t help me with the healing process at all...
What happened to SHARING?
As I always say: One hand cannot clap...
Peace!!!
Maybe others would like to take up your offer of ”real Islam”, but if I ever went to Jordan,I’d rather just see Jordan thanks.
Or maybe we could do an exchange visit here. Wanna see ”real Catholicism”?
Great. Come to France! I could take you round the churches and we could go hang out with priests......
Can’t wait.
Thx again...
2. I agree, ”religion is supposed to regulate the lives of people if they understand it and use it correctly”... But not the state. The state is religion free. The state is above people’s personal interests. it reflects the common good of all. My argument is not about if Palestinians should or not have a religion but about is if the Palestine state should be linked to a religion.
3. ”you have a very not true idea about Islam in the Arab countries.” probably correct about Islam... but again, Muslims themselves don’t have idea about Islam either, only their own interpretations that reflect their own needs. If Muslims knew about Islam and the intentions of Muhammad, we would be having this conversation right now and no conflict would ever take place... In Palestine, Pakistan, Georgia, Chechnya, Indonesia, Afghanistan... pick your spot... If all these people knew the correct message of their religion... life would be different to all of us...
As for the not knowing Arab countries, I have been to at least 6 of them (of which I enjoyed each). I guess, that’s give me a little credibility to comment about it. I been to Jordan and I would love to come back. I spent time in Amman and I went to Petra (the name of my wife by the way...), Al Zarqa (I think it’s the right spelling) and Al Karak. (:
4. you can clap with one hand if you use your legs...
1) no worries about my name, ur not supposed to know that when ur not an Arab :) so it’s OK :)
2) Palestine’s religious system is not the same as that of other countries (i.e. those of the Arab Gulf)
3) one hand clapping thing: again I have to say: what happened to sharing,, is that too much of a complex term to be understood?!!!
But I guess that’s not ur fault...thx for ur kind answer anyways!!!
I was ”pissed off” as you put it not because of your ”conversation” (which, moreover, may just clear up a few things here), but because of your previous comment, adressed to ”everyone who commented on this page”.
You know that very well.
That said, if no-one can comment on your ”conversation”, maybe you should move it to private email?
@Incognito: ”Tell me, who in theirďż˝RIGHT minds would want to go back?”.. I can’t even go back for a vacation... and I’m sorry for not enjoying your interference to plan my vacations... no offense here!!!
Robbie... I made ur same mistake by calling u a she... sorreeee :)
I just don’t believe that Palestinians are prepared to clap hands... the events show is that... so I decided to be ironic... ...on a good way...
take care...
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But I want to ask you that the premise that ”after being slaughtered by the millions, after having suffered for millennia at the hands of Romans, Arabs, Spaniards, French, English, Germans, Russians, etc.,” Jews are entitled to have the Israel in the way they are having now.
Come on , it will more like having Mexico asking for most of the part of USA as it belonged to them before; or a monkey trainer coming and saying that the descendants of our ancestor wants the claim on it .
And Jews who were persecuted should be paid back by the world by persecuting some other community ? Is this the kind of justice we believe in ?
Just imagine that anybody coming, who was wrongfully put behind bars by government, taking over drawing room first, then your bedroom; and finally even the toilet you have been forced to cramp in... How will you feel? And yeah don’t forget that he was wrongfully put behind bars by government . He has suffered a lot for many years . You think that will justify doing all that ?
The state of Israel was created after world war two, and jews of today don’t give a damn where it came from. They did NOT decide how it was created. But they DO know that people want to take it away from them by force.
Where do they go?
Any ideas?
Your comparison between Mexico and the USA is unacceptable. Both in terms of geographical area and it’s blithely hypothetical nature.
We need ideas and results here, and not scapegoats and good/bad guys from another age.
While it is true the US. southwestern states were originally ours, part of them were ceded during the Mexican American war and part of them were PURCHASED...Either way, although they were part of Mexico, the comparing us to the Gaza conflict is highly unacceptable.
We are not in conflict trying to retake what was ours or vice versa.
There is no conflict, no killing, question over who that territory belongs to. This issue was settled in 1848..hardly comparable, amigo.